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Ich finde, wir sollte sprachlich besser zwischen Impfgegner:innen und Impfpflichtgegner:innen unterscheiden.

Grund: Ich denke, es gibt gute Argumente gegen eine allgemeine Impf*pflicht*. Aber die Gefahr, mit querschwurbelnden irrationalen Impfgegner:innen assoziiert (und entsprechend sozial sanktioniert) zu werden, ist eine massive mentale Hürde diese zu äußern.

#Diskurspolarisierung hilft nicht bei schwierigen Entscheidungsproblemen.

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#Impfpflicht|debatte 

@cark under normal circumstances I would be with you!

But, we failed last summer and the problem is: we need 90% vaccinated people!

next summer:

- We can try harder to convince the rest of that 90% by some random measures.

- We can try harder to convince the rest of that 90% by some random measures and by vaccination mandates.

- We can let covid just do its thing.

The choice is to pick the one with the highest success chance and fix its problems as good as we can.

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@cark And criticism on vaccination mandates is needed especially to be able to regulate its edge cases well and to figure out if the decision is right, and you are definitely not alone with that.

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@zem

I am not convinced that we "need 90%". Covid will likely not go away even then. Because current vaccination work not as good as initially hoped.

I think we should try harder to convince people e.g. by increasing funding for *reliable* and *verifiable* science communication and mandatory counseling.

But "forcing" people to be vaccinated against their will is imho not a "success" because it threatens peaceful and liberal society in the long run.

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@cark it was never about making covid "go away" it is about bringing it to a so called "endemic state" that does not overload our healthcare system.

There are some very interesting papers from RKI out there, but you can calculate those 90% on your own with simple school math (and some error margin) if you relate ratio of vacced/unvacced patients in any hospital with the current vaccination rates.

I did not rule out the convincing part, but that is not enough. We tried!

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@cark this one is interesting. It is a recent graph from salzburg. As far as I read this, the red line is caused by 30 % unvaccinated people, and the green line is caused by the 70 % vaccinated people.

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